It's about time

I was looking at a forum and a member posted a thread about PH'S and size.He said he noticed that a lot of people for example start off at 200lbs. and after say,6-9 cycles they're only about 15lbs. heavier,even though they gain 12-15lbs. a cycle.And then other members were like''i think your onto something'' (sigh...)I said the same thing YEARS ago and got flammed lol.I said ''how come you've done 12 cycles and your arms are only 16 inches?''And i wasnt being an a-hole or trying to be,but i would always crack up cause at that time i never used PH'S and mine were 18 and my training at the time including supp's and everything else sucked and i still made better gains than they did and drank like a fish at the time too lol.It's about time that some of these people wake up and see what scams PH'S are(i've done two cycles myself as well).Most of the companies that make PH'S also make alot of other crappy supp's too.I'll be glad when they're banned again and again.

Yeah, the only thing we don't want is for an uninformed Congress to go overboard and ban a lot of useful supplements or overregulate the supplement market.

I agree, its funny, because like you said, a lot of folks will make gains on PH's but then lose it right after taking them...nothing steady or long lasting.

Originally Posted by debruynda

Yeah, the only thing we don't want is for an uninformed Congress to go overboard and ban a lot of useful supplements or overregulate the supplement market.

I agree, its funny, because like you said, a lot of folks will make gains on PH's but then lose it right after taking them...nothing steady or long lasting.

And yet they keep doing cycles.Whats really scary is how PH'S lower your HDL to nothing.And it's just such a rip off to spend that kind of $ on 'em.An average cycle with P.C.T. and support supp's is a good $300-400 bucks.That would buy ya a nice stash of supp's from here.It makes you wonder if these guys will be around to see 40 with doing a ton of cycles so young.What really drove me nuts is how guys would come on the forum and say they've been lifting for 8 months and ask me whats a good PH for them.I always got flamed for telling them food,sleep,training hard.Even though i did two cycles iam proud to say i built my size from hard ass lifting over the years before i even touch 'em.

well thats because we all want what the big guys have and want it now- the way of young generation. I get the same thing now, what supps can i take, etc. I honestly direct them to PF and tell them to read up on protein, think about training program and take it from there.

"Yea but whats the best stuff for size" This comes from a mid 20's guy who is 170 and just started lifting, i simply respond, "Russian Bear 5000, chug 2 of those a day and your set"

http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=6795

Nobody wants to take the time to read and learn and then ask questions. So I bust my ass in the gym, read up on supps and diet and now Im supposed to give you the 1 magical way to get big!

F U

These same people who are reaching for a liver toxic chemical for questionable gains.

They enjoy whey concentrate by itself, low carb/fat diets, and 3 sets of ten over five years in a row. Gosh, I must need steroids to gain muscle mass. (sarcasm)

Originally Posted by Cowin8579

These same people who are reaching for a liver toxic chemical for questionable gains.

They enjoy whey concentrate by itself, low carb/fat diets, and 3 sets of ten over five years in a row. Gosh, I must need steroids to gain muscle mass. (sarcasm)

HAHAHA!Those are the same people who think they're hard gainers lol.

Originally Posted by Vaporeizied

well thats because we all want what the big guys have and want it now- the way of young generation. I get the same thing now, what supps can i take, etc. I honestly direct them to PF and tell them to read up on protein, think about training program and take it from there.

"Yea but whats the best stuff for size" This comes from a mid 20's guy who is 170 and just started lifting, i simply respond, "Russian Bear 5000, chug 2 of those a day and your set"

http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=6795

Nobody wants to take the time to read and learn and then ask questions. So I bust my ass in the gym, read up on supps and diet and now Im supposed to give you the 1 magical way to get big!

F U

HAHAHA I love that you made a Russian Bear comment.... 5000 cals a shake boo yaahh... well your really supposed to drink it through the whole day with a gallon of milk. You should check out their other products lol... maybe I suggest the bull testicles? lol

OK, I have a dumb question. What's wrong with using concentrate by itself? (I'm being serious here.) I just bought a 5lb bag of Premium Whey here, and for those of us on a budget, is it really so bad?

fit there's nothing wrong with using concentrate imo, i've been using it for yrs. r there proteins with less carbs and fats..yes. but the hi quality concentrate offered here is top notch and i don't hesitate to use it

Originally Posted by FIT42

OK, I have a dumb question. What's wrong with using concentrate by itself? (I'm being serious here.) I just bought a 5lb bag of Premium Whey here, and for those of us on a budget, is it really so bad?

I've been using it for years with great results.I just bought the 10lb. deal for $40.