Ecto MRP and Flavor Details help?

**ra2012** · 03-03-2009, 01:37 AM

Hi, first post in the forums but have been using PF for whey isolate for awhile. Great products overall. Best overall quality i've been able to find anywhere Alex, you really have a great site here! Was hoping to get your feedback on a couple things, but anyone's insight is more than welcome.

I'm looking to replace a fair amount of my solid food intake with a more controlled intake of shakes and supplementation. I'm most concerned about optimum health and food quality, it makes sense to me that a really high quality MRP would be a pretty clean replacement to keep the body running strong. I'd like to get a routine started that includes maybe a couple solid food meals per day with the rest in the blender.

That being said, for me, i'm an ectomorph body type, around 8% body fat no matter what i eat, but a very hard gainer. Seems hard for me to utilize a lot of protein intake (bloat, gas etc.. when i supplement protein. I've really only taken whey isolate after workouts so I never got too serious about a custom protein mix designed for me.

So heres a couple things i could use some help with

1. high quality MRP mix. Any preference's out there? i started using the PF MRP as a base. i really like the oatmuscle, omegamuscle to start. Seems perfect for carbs, fats. I want to keep it real low glycemic throughout the day. Just not sure the best combos for protein (maybe the stock one is right for me?). I hear a lot of good things on the super plasma but it just doesn't sound like one of the healthier protein sources. Maybe i'm nuts but any other protein combos recommended? Also, would you recommend the Membrane Micellar Casein over the Aussie in this case? Maybe add some egg white or WPI?

For example,
PF MPR:
10% Hydrolyzed 520
30% Aussie Casein
5% Super Plasma protein (or egg white?)
40% Oat Muscle
15% Omega Muscle
Aminogen
Glutamine Peptides?
mix with soy milk maybe some fresh fruit or some good organic peanut butter for more calories
(cycle in 1 of the following per day: my current muti vitamin/mineral antioxident pak, superfood blend, or 1 scoop of either green, red, or purple muscle)
It probably doesn't sound like a tasty combo but that's fine for me. The quality and convienence is more important. A couple tasty flavors would sure be nice though

One other thing, is there enough fiber in there or does anyone add that separately?

2. Post workout: The POSIGAIN caught my eye. Also the OATABOLIC looks pretty good too. Any Preference or another choice?
OATABOLIC
10% Aussie Casein
35% CFM Whey Isolate
5% Super Plasma
40% Oat Muscle
10% Glutamine Peptides

POSIGAIN
40% OatMuscle
15% Aussie Casein
15% CFM Whey Isolate
10% Egg White Protein
10% Isochill Whey Isolate
10% Milk Isolate (maybe replace with glutamine peptides?)

Also, is there much need to take high GI carbs post w/o if you’re not cycling creatine?

3. the flavors available to add: What are the ingredients of those? It probably sounds picky but i wanted to avoid artificial flavors and other junk if possible. The flavors that say "real" apparently are all natural ingredients? Although quality is my first priority, it would be nice to have a decent tasting shake too. The chocolate flavor with stevia sounded pretty good.

Sorry for the long rant. Thanks for the help.

**job561** · 03-03-2009, 02:01 AM

1. Go with the stevia as a sweetner.

2. For a low GI carb source, you can't beat Oatmuscle. I also would recommend the Omegamuscle at 15%

3. Do not fear the Super Plasma!!! The source may seem odd / disgusting, but the results are not. If you are seeking improved health, Super Plasma may be the best thing PF sells.

4. If protein shakes / MRP's give you gas, avoid the hydro 520 ... it is a hydrolized Whey Concentrate so it contains lactose, a big no-no for you.

5. Glutamine peptides are over-rated ... if you are willing to spend that much for a suppliment, you are MUCH better off go with the Super Plasma.

6. How does this mix sound to you?

20% Milk Protein Isolate (a lot like the Micellar or Aussie Caseinate)
15% Whole Organic Egg
15% Super Plasma Protein
30% Oatmuscle
15% Omegamuscle
5% Your favorite fat (for added calories)

Add Aminogen and one of the Muscle Colors.

You mentioned fiber ... the Omega Muscle helps somewhat, but added fresh fruit would also help out in this regard.

Hope this helps ...

**ra2012** · 03-03-2009, 02:29 AM

job561: Yeah, your mix looks pretty good. Thanks for the reply.

The comments about lactose sounds on track although i can't remember having a problem with dairy products, except whole milk. Only whole milk for some reason makes me really sick.

Any reason you prefer the milk protein isolate over the casein? maybe i'll try a pound or two and keep experimenting until i find the right mix. Did it take some trial and error for you too?

**job561** · 03-03-2009, 07:51 AM

I have tried the Milk Protein Isolate once in a customized mix and the Aussie Casein in another, quite some time ago ... I can' t recall there being THAT much of a difference between the two. I am drawn toward the MPI, however, as it contains a small amount of whey Isolate (20%) along with the slower-to-digest predominate Casein. This allows the faster digesting whey proteins to semi-quickly reach your system while the casein gel's, digests, and then slow-drip feeds amino acids into your body.

You are correct in the trial and error method ... everyone's body reacts differently to food sources. I learned in my mid-20's that I am lactose intolerant ... I now avoid Whey Protein Concentrates like the plague! Here at the PF, that means no Hydro 520, no bargain basement WPC, no Tri-FX (which I wish I could use), and no Victoria Milk Protein Concentrate (another Milk Protein source).

Good luck!