What's the problem with Pea protein Alex?

Simple. The body cant use the amino acids from pea. In order to GROW muscle you need to be in a positive nitrogen state. You can do this two ways. #1 take steroids, or #2 take protein. Protein will increase nitrogen in the body. In order to tell which FOODS the body can get the most nitrogen out of (in layman's terms) you have the old biological value method and PDCAA. #1 is hydrolyzed proteins specifically dairy's, #2 is whole food whey, #milk, egg, soy..blah blah blah.

Pea protein from what I know has a biological value of about 50. Meaning if you drink 50 grams of pea protein you are probably getting literally nothing from it in terms of nitrogen boost. There are a thousand other sources I would use to get my protein. Unless you are highly allergic to most forms of protein, I dont know why anyone would use this....

supplement companies are using it now because dairy is so expensive so they are using it as a filler to lower their costs of their protein supplement. Other supplement companies try to pretend to be cutting edge (like me lol) and say,,"Look everyone, we have a new source of protein that nobody is using but us!!!" Duh assholes, nobody is using it because its a freakin worthless piece of shit protein...Whats next, green bean protein, hey how about brussel sprouts protein.....nobody has that....

The amino acid profile of food products really doesnt mean shit either. If you lined them all up they are pretty much all the same. and besides that it wont make one bit of difference if you have a glutamic acid content of 15 or 25/100, in terms of muscle growth. What will make a difference is using a protein with a good subfraction content and variable sources. that is why my CFM whey isolate has been the #1 selling whey isolate for over 10 years now...use that with super plasma protein and watch yourself grow....

Thanks for responding Alex. I hope you don't take offense to this, but I'm trying to get some more facts to confirm your theories on pea protein, since obviously some other companies felt it was a viable protein source enough to produce and market it.

Do you have some sources you can site for your reference? Your competitor, ******* lists the bioavailability as 90-95%...although I realize you cite the biological value as being 50....I don't really know what the difference between those two factors are.


The purpose of all this is of course to learn. I have been using a custom mix that includes some of this pea protein...If you are right, I want to make sure I don't waste any more money on the stuff.

Ahh the proteinfactory imitators...so pea protein is as good as dairy protein in term of nitrogen utilization....are you kidding me?

LOL...Alex isn't much of a "Salesman"....And perhaps that's why I tend to believe alot of what he has to say. If you've talked with him, he does know quite a bit and is extremely well read.
I believe this link will pretty much back up Alex's claim that Pea protein isn't worth much in the means of exercise/ weightlifting, etc, when comparing it to Casein, Whey Plasma, etc.

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/reprint/35/2/257.pdf

I guess you have to cut and paste the link, but it shoud work. Also, you have to admire that he's not trying to make a quick buck and sell Pea protein...because alot of cheap skates out there would buy it just because it's cheap. Gimmicks sell, but real quality works.

As I further Googled the info, it seems there's a variety of ways to measure the biological value, and perhaps the "high" ba of pea protein is therefor misleading. Also, as I was Googling the info, I noticed this issue coming up on PF's competitor by the same guy who started this thread, trying to simply garner some info. What some of the overzealous posters are stressing is that the Pea is proven "nutritional". Ok...thats not the debate here..is it worth taking to build muscle is the real issue. And it's not! Even others that posted in that forum said they take it "but havent seen any gains" LOL. So, there you have it.

I still don't know who's right about the products effectiveness; but I have decided for myself to not use the stuff anymore. It basically comes down to taste. Even at only a 25% concentration in a custom mix with milk protein isolate, it ruins the flavor. Even having them put double flavoring in, the stuff still isn't nearly as good as the proteins I have without pea protein included....although if you mix the protein with milk, it does taste significantly better. But as someone trying to watch their carb and calorie intake for fat loss, I do not indulge much in mixing with milk.