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Below is a part of an article I saw on BB.com. I'm looking to get fish oil to take with the krill, but after reading this, I have a question about the fish oil caps. Here's what I read:

I have spent a LOT of time researching this. I have read articles and studies that basically all lead to a single conclusion: Take them together, and take fish oil in cold pressed liquid, not cold pressed capsuls.

That was the actual question, whether or not CAPSULS instead of the LIQUID were "useless". It's not useless, but the liquid is almost always FAR superior to the capsuls, because fish oil capsuls are heated- even the cold pressed ones. This is well known to destroy the benefits of the oil. It's just not well known that there are few (and no inexpensive) ways to create oil capsuls without heat. Which is not the case for liquid.

You will yield more omega 3's in the liquid form vs the capsule. I think the standard is between 20-30% with caps, but liquid will give around 45-50%

you can also check international fish oil standard ifos for up to date tests

carlsons for example will give you 1600 mgs per teaspoon
800 epa
500 dha
300 other omega 3 fatty acids

Now with the krill oil
The phospholipid structure of the EPA and DHA in krill oil makes them much more absorbable and allows for a much easier entrance into the mitochondria and the cellular nucleus. In addition to EPA and DHA krill oil contains a complex phospholipid profile including phosphatidylcholine, a potent source of reductive-stress-reducing choline, which also acts as a natural emulsifier.

Krill oil contains vitamin E, vitamin A, vitamin D and canthaxanthin, which is, like astaxanthin, a potent anti-oxidant. The anti-oxidant potency of krill oil is such that when compared to fish oil in tems of ORAC (Oxygen radical absorptance capacity) values it was found to be 48 times more potent than fish oil.

krill oil is tremendously effective in reducing LDL-cholesterol, raising HDL-cholesterol, and lowering blood sugar. It has been shown to be effective in treating the pain and inflammation from rheumatoid arthritis and aches and pains in general.

IMO- Krill is the better way to go as you will have benefits.

Your choice but as long as you take them

hope that helps

Vap

Originally Posted by Dave

I have spent a LOT of time researching this. I have read articles and studies that basically all lead to a single conclusion: Take them together, and take fish oil in cold pressed liquid, not cold pressed capsuls.

That was the actual question, whether or not CAPSULS instead of the LIQUID were "useless". It's not useless, but the liquid is almost always FAR superior to the capsuls, because fish oil capsuls are heated- even the cold pressed ones. This is well known to destroy the benefits of the oil. It's just not well known that there are few (and no inexpensive) ways to create oil capsuls without heat. Which is not the case for liquid.

Lovaza (a prescription O3FO medication) is supplied in a capsule presentation and it works as advertised in treating hypertriglyceridemia. So clearly it is possible to create an O3FO in capsule form which is potent.

As for the benefits of fish oil, you may find this abstract I received via Epocrates DocAlerts awhile back:

Dear Clinician,
Here is the information you requested (sourced from Journal Watch).

Effects of Fish Oil on Cardiac Arrhythmias and Death

Fish oil supplementation lowers risk for cardiac death but not for all-cause mortality.

Higher intake of fish oil is associated with lower risk for adverse cardiac events. In this meta-analysis of 12 randomized trials that involved nearly 33,000 patients (maximum follow-up, 60 months), investigators evaluated the effects of fish oil supplements (containing the omega-3 fatty acids eicosapentanoic acid [EPA] and docosahexanoic acid [DHA]) on cardiac arrhythmias and mortality; some trials did not contribute data to every endpoint. Notable results were as follows:

• Among patients with implantable cardiac defibrillators, fish oil did not lower risk for appropriate ICD shocks.
• Among all patients, fish oil did not lower risk for sudden cardiac death.
• Among all patients, fish oil did not lower risk for all-cause death.
• Among all patients, fish oil significantly lowered risk for death from cardiac causes (by 20%).
• Among patients with known coronary artery disease, fish oil significantly lowered risk for sudden cardiac death (by 26%) and for death from cardiac causes (by 20%).

Comment: These results support the American Heart Association’s recommendation that patients with CAD consume about 1 g of fish oil daily (Circulation 2002; 106:2747). The results do not support recommending fish oil to patients without CAD; the role of fish oil for patients at risk for CAD remains uncertain. As noted by the meta-analysis authors, EPA and DHA each have different properties, and the ideal formulation of EPA and DHA in a fish oil supplement is unclear.

Citation:
León H et al. Effect of fish oil on arrhythmias and mortality: Systematic review. BMJ 2008 Dec 23; 338:a2931.

In other words, if you have CAD, EPA/DHA as found in O3FO is beneficial, if you don't have CAD, there are no benefits in terms of mortality either due to cardiac or other causes, and if you're "at risk" for CAD, it's not clear.

Obviously there are methodological limitations to meta-analyses. Perhaps more importantly, the question of who is "at risk" for developing CAD is probably a bit more complex than the traditional risk factors, especially if one is considering early preemptive treatment. Furthermore, the question arises of whether there is any harm to EPA/DHA supplementation, i.e. if at worse it does nothing in individuals not at risk, then it is solely an economic issue.

As far as I know, there are no clinical studies which demonstrate that there is a survival advantage in CAD (or any other disease entity) from using O3O sourced from krill versus fish.

- Dan

So EPA/DHA will prevent this?

Originally Posted by job561

So EPA/DHA will prevent this?

There is no known medication or supplement which will prevent someone from turning into a cartoon character.

- Dan

Guys, thanks for the insight. As far as Krill is concerned, I've been using this for quite a while now and I don't plan on ever stopping. I read numerous, and I mean numerous different reports that compared Krill vs. Fish. For me, the choice was easy. Krill blew the Fish Oil out of the water in EVERY comparison I read, no pun intended. I was wondering if Fish added to Krill would help at all, but you both seem to say no on that one. That's fine, I'm happy with the Krill. Just wish it was a bit less expensive, but it is what it is! Thank you guys.

anytime Dave

Originally Posted by Dave

Thank you guys.

My pleasure. Are you taking an O3O to treat a specific condition (e.g. mixed hyperlipidemia) or just for general health benefits?

One of the issues right now is that no one really knows what the optimum EPA to DHA ratio is... it may even be different depending on what you're treating.

- Dan

Just for general health. You need a lot less Krill compared to fish oil too!