looking to make strong lean gains

its almost impossible to lose bodyfat and gain muscle at the same time. You have to reduce calories if you want to lose bodyfat.

You need you switch to extreme clean eating and low calories.

Something like

a formula
30% oatmuscle
20% omega
10% super
20% 1400
20% Casein
aminogen

use hydrodidpeptides preworkout

Use oatmuscle and peptopro post

Maybe try to Unleashed to help you out in the hormone dept.

what do u think about using zip?

I like to recommend to my customers to measure foods/supplements in a bodybuilding pyramid, (this idea I got from Testosterone magazine years back).

At the bottom of the bodybuilders food pyramid is: water, protein, and carbs, Next level up is fruits, veggies, dietary fats, and i think fiber. Next level up is supplement that are safe and proven to work. Creapure, CLA, fish oil gels, krill oil. at the top of the pyramid is your experimental stuff. Testoterone krap, fat burners and all that other B.s...

Zip is at the top.

What I like about the zip is three things.

1) Nelson montana formulated it for us.
2) We have been carrying it for about 5 years and it does have some good feedback.
3) it does contain 7 keto which has been proven to reduce bodyfat.

so you would obviously recommend super clean diet first above all things. trying to get down to 10% bf, im about 15% right now, do you think zip would help get me there?

Yes, any diet supplements are going to help you in some way or another.

I would get CLA gels and some ZIP!

where do you get your cla gels?

TONALIN brand

thanks a lot ill make sure to go get those. i'm getting 7g's of omegas in the morning from flax-seed oil, would you reccommend getting those cla's and getting some omega muscle to help with that or would that be over doing it? i'm not too educated in the omega-3's category