Anabolic/Anti-Catabolic Protein and P12 Review

Here is my no holds barred review of this protein listed in the clearance section. This was my first purchase with Protein Factory so I played it safe and decided to purchase something at a good price. This was a great deal for the price. I finished off 2 x 5 lbs jugs of the protein in 8 weeks and stopped taking the P12 after 3 weeks.

Protein,
Taste: flavor Chocolate Milkshake mixed with milk it was great the best tasting protein shake I have ever had, the only drawback was I found it really sweet. Mixed with water the taste was still really good and with milk or water this formula mixed very easily. I must admit this stuff is almost downright additive for taste once you start taking it for a while.

First three weeks I took this protein before and right after my workouts and that was it. I found my muscles felt fuller and my recovery stayed the same. Did not like it as a pre-work out drink as I felt it sat heavy in my stomach and made me sluggish. From week three to eight I started taking my wifes custom formula as a pre workout and then the other protein as post workout, mid day and early evening. The custom formula was 65% CFM, 20% oat, 10% omega, 5% glutamine. With this route I actually felt a difference in my recovery (marginal) but my muscles feel full all the time which was better then the first 3 weeks. I have gained some size which is good for me. This was my first purchase so I want to explore the custom route with a protein only formula which I believe will provide me with better results. In the last two years I have tried two other companies for protein Prosource and Optimum Nutrition and this one is the clear winner in my books. Can't wait to try my custom formulas!!

P12,

A very fine powder that mixes very easily in water with little stirring. I mixed this in with my morning shake and it was not noticeable for taste. I should have listened to Alex because he states if you are a responder to CM then stick with it and not P12. Well that advice went in one ear and out the other and stupid me purchased P12. Overall a waste of money for me and I'll be ordering regular CM powder on my next order. It did nothing for me. I stopped taking this after 3 weeks and I noticed one big difference. I did alot of snow shoveling this winter and while I used this product my shoulders and biceps would get a painful burn in them too the point I would have to stop every few minutes and rest. Once I stopped taking it and did snow shoveling there was no burning sensation.

Hmm, what's the deal with P/12?! Good thing I was bored and read this. Years ago, I've tried CM + dextrose and it didn't do a thing for me, except retain water, so I just figured I was a non-responder. Yeah, because being an ectomorph isn't enough. I haven't thought about taking creatine again until I've recently started wondering if the new forms of it (like Ethyl Ester) might work. Would P/12 be worth trying out, Alex?

What do you think of Creatine Ethyl Ester and Kre-Alkalyn? Creatine and the ROS angle seems convincing, too.

Loco read the post by Alex called Creatine comes full circle it is informative. Do not give up on CM because it depends what brand name you used, some companies sell crap. I have tried ethyl ester and it did nothing for me, brand names of CM that have worked for me are Prosource and Prolab. My next purchase will be the CM sold by Alex.

Well, I did some reading around and it seems it might be worth a shot to try taking alternative forms (CEE & maybe others) if you're a CM non-responder. There is hope!

I might be posted today part 2 of my creatine article. You might want to read it before buying any other forms of creatine

I wrote this prior to this discussion. CEE once ingested breaks down into two components: Creatine Monohydrate and ethanol. The second component is very bad and will damage the kidneys and liver. Why mess with it. This all came from the Director of the Chemistry Department, University of Tulsa.

However, according to the manufacturers of kre-alkalyn, all creatines turn into a toxic by product creatinine, which as well negatively affects the same filtering organs. 8.4 minutes was all it took for 1g of creatine to convert 100% into creatinine in 1 liter of water.

P-12 (kre-alkalyn) does not convert because it is buffered.

I have used this product for about two weeks now and have noticed great changes. My endurance and lactic threshold went up. My muscles are more dense/fuller. And my muscular strength and endurance went up, too.

I am unable to complete my creatine article but here it is in a nutshell. I got this info BTW from a creatine manufacturer.

Creatine is made from sarcosinate or thiourea.


Once you make creatine monohydrate you can make "OTHER" forms of creatine. ie ethyl ester, or any other crazy form of creatine. Lets say we want to make creatine citrate. I take pure creatine monohdrate put it in the reactor with citrate and add water or an acid to bond the two together. This is where the problems happens. When we add the water and acid to the reactor the creatine turns to creatinine. So guess what? We just made creatinine citrate. And these supplement companies are turning around and selling it as creatine citrate. Same for CEE and ALL other forms of creatine..

Listen everyone, we have been majorly screwed in the ass by anyone selling any other form of creatine beside creatine monohydrate.

I will hopefully make a detailed article next week. but in the mean time...use only creapure or kreakalyn

Originally Posted by AlexRogers

I am unable to complete my creatine article but here it is in a nutshell. I got this info BTW from a creatine manufacturer.

Creatine is made from sarcosinate or thiourea.


Once you make creatine monohydrate you can make "OTHER" forms of creatine. ie ethyl ester, or any other crazy form of creatine. Lets say we want to make creatine citrate. I take pure creatine monohdrate put it in the reactor with citrate and add water or an acid to bond the two together. This is where the problems happens. When we add the water and acid to the reactor the creatine turns to creatinine. So guess what? We just made creatinine citrate. And these supplement companies are turning around and selling it as creatine citrate. Same for CEE and ALL other forms of creatine..

Listen everyone, we have been majorly screwed in the ass by anyone selling any other form of creatine beside creatine monohydrate.

I will hopefully make a detailed article next week. but in the mean time...use only creapure or kreakalyn

Does this go for your P12 product as well? Just asking because I was just trying to turn a friend onto this product as he quit CM completely do to gastrointestinal issues with the product.

SeaHag: P/12 is Kre-Alkalyn

Alex: what's the weight of P/12 for $12.10? Asking because it seems more expensive in the lab, which doesn't seem right. Anyway, looks like you don't have to load KA and don't have to take it with carbs, huh? I know it didn't work for you, but hopefully it works for me. :-)