tren xtreme muscle activator

**missile** · 06-04-2008, 02:36 PM

19 norandrosta-4,9dliene-3.17dlone 30 mg
this a supplement that max muscle raves about and seems to be used alot by some younger lifter in my gym has anybody heard of it what is it how does it breack down in the body what are the side effects ? Missile

**debruynda** · 06-04-2008, 05:38 PM

It is marketed as a precursor to the anabolic steroid Trenbolone Acetate or Finaplix.

Who knows how well this compound converts and if it does at all. A good place to look is the bodybuilding.com message boards. People get fairly in-depth about their usage and if you are seriously considering using this it might be a good place to start your research.

Patrick Arnold, one of the guys credited with starting the whole prohormone revolution in the mid-late nineties frequents that site and is a good person to ask. He is an organic chemist by trade and could give you a better idea of what this product is and is capable of doing.

**AlexRogers** · 06-05-2008, 09:42 AM

Prohormones suck. Experienced supplement users know that using them is bad news.

1) ALL prohormones are made in CHINA. They might be assembled here but the raw material and the actually prohormone is made in CHINA.

2) Supplement companies push them because the profit margins on them are huge and it makes the supplement company seem cutting edge by using some pharmaceutical sounding steroid.

3) No testing for quality is ever done on prohormones

4) no safety tests are ever done on prohormones.

5) If you had any legal savy you would probably to able to find numerous lawsuits against supplement companies selling these products.

Personally I would never recommend any of these products. I recommend taking REAL steroids before taking prohormones

**Osiris** · 06-05-2008, 02:08 PM

I have to agree with Alex here. As a veteran of training for many years I say this: STAY AWAY FROM PROHORMONES. They are for sh*t, and will destroy your body. I am not promoting the use of steroids, but you'd be much better off with the real thing than prohormones. I've said it before, here's a post from about two months ago I posted on another message board:
But I WAS being a dick to you in regards to the prohormone thing. I agree that I think you're just looking for a quick fix. I'm just trying to make you understand that
# 1 it's not that quick of a fix anyway, and more importantly you are jeapordizing your health, which should mean the most to you. Without your health, you have nothing. Not that I am promoting or condoning the use of steroids, but you'd be better off with the real thing than the crap you are talking about using. Eat right and train very, very hard and you'll get where you want to be. No matter what you put into your body it's never gonna be easy. If it was easy everybody would be doing it.

Stay away from that crap. Spend your money on Super Plasma Protein instead.

**debruynda** · 06-05-2008, 07:38 PM

I could not agree with Osiris more...super plasma is pretty much the best stuff around if you are into natural bodybuilding...

**ninjaalbert** · 06-05-2008, 09:38 PM

agree on the bovine!

**debruynda** · 06-06-2008, 01:49 PM

I know I sound like a rep for PF sometimes wearing their ass for a hat as I do, but I am amazed at some of the mass I have put on in the last year in conjunction with my diet and the proteins I buy. I definitely think super plasma, anecdotally speaking at least, has done wonders for me, I use it as the base for when I do a custom formula.

Sometimes I think it has put on too much mass as I have gotten accused of juicing

**djones** · 06-06-2008, 09:56 PM

hey debruynda how much do u take of the bovine per shake and do you take it pre and post? its the 1 product i REALLY want to try

**debruynda** · 06-08-2008, 12:14 PM

I mix it into my custom formulas at between 20-25% so at a 60 gram serving that would be around 10-15gms depending, if my math is correct and of course if I scoop the exact same amount out every time. I usually use it in the morning with my am shake and in the evening before bed. It is expensive, the custom formula I am using right now is about 14 a pound (aussie/plasma/520/victoria/trifx) all at 20% each. Used the Penta Protein formula as inspiration.

Having worked out for ten years now I am noticing the best gains in muscle and all I have been doing differently than before is the plasma protein and creatine. And my diet of course is much better than in the college days, but whose isn't?